Thursday, October 30, 2008

this country

You know what? It's incredible to me, these last few days, thinking that people actually think America is a place of gloom and doom. Watching Barry on tv last night, I wanted to slit my wrists. Really, is this what we are about?

Reading the last batch of comments also had me realizing what DIFFERENT places people are in their views on this country. I had no idea that so many people truly believe the few should carry the many.

Listen, I would really like to believe that everyone has a strong work ethic and a belief in the American dream. But far too often the American dream has become, "Grab all you can and get what you get; let someone else pay for it." And yes, this goes for corporations, too.

My friend Jess and I have emailed back and forth alot on these topics, but I've come to the realization that we are coming from such different places that finding common ground is anything but impossible. And so, at that point, what do you do? Still try to find it? Or do you give up and call it a draw?

My friend (a lawyer - I don't stand a chance) pointed out that, though he is anti-abortion, there are lots of other issues in the race that make him vote for Obama rather than McCain. Planned Parenthood getting all sorts of government funds; he's making them more promises. Hmmm...if it's really all about a woman's choice, then why don't they endorse adoption just as heavily as they do abortions? MONEY. The abortion industry is a huge one. Make no mistake.

Anyway - it's hard for me to see how you can support someone who is ok with sticking a knife in the brainstem of a baby who has survived an abortion. I'm sorry, at the end of the day, that sticks in my conscience. And I can't support such a candidate - but then I am told that one-issue voting makes me naive and uninformed. Let me ask you this. If a grown man can endorse such a policy, not bothering to try to protect the smallest, most innocent of lives, what else can he do?

About the racism going on in this country - it will be interesting to see how things play out on Tuesday. There will be racists who don't vote for Obama simply because he's black, and there will be racists who don't vote for McCain simply because he's white. And I do think the country will be even more divided after this election.

That makes me sad...but then how do you fix it? Not sure. There's a reason politics incites passion. People's core beliefs about the world around them are challenged. They are told to pick one party or the other. I'm not all gung-ho for John McCain and the GOP, either, but they seem to think of America as less of a villain and more of a beacon, still. Why are people still coming in droves to our country? Why do other countries still expect us to protect them? There must still be some good in this country.

And dammit, I still believe in it.

30 comments:

today is the present said...

Amen. And let me tell you, I hate what this is doing to my feelings for some of my friends.

The way I look at it is that if someone can condone, even support, abortion then what does that say about the rest of their morals and values? It says to me that they do not even respect the sanctity of life and protecting the innocent ones who have no choice so how are they going to LEAD the rest of us??

And no, I don't think you'll necessarily find a common ground. I love some of the people I completely disagree with and we've decided not to discuss those things for the sake of our relationship.

I will be so glad when this election is over and I pray, oh I pray, that if Obama wins, that he will prove us wrong but he cannot seem to even decide where he stands half of the time. UGH.

today is the present said...

Yes, time flies. It is amazing, really, when days with fussy little ones used to seem so LONG :).

And remember, the light penetrates the darkness, not the other way around. You are a light even when you may not feel like one.

Thank YOU!

Joy said...

I am quite well informed on many issues, but the one I choose as most important is the killing of babies. The value of human life. If you don't have that, you don't have much.

We farm. Obama talks of lining my pockets with handouts, then taxing it heavily. McCain leans strongly towards making me work for my money.

There are just more important things that my pocketbook.

Karin said...

Great post!

Anonymous said...

Just to clarify - Obama is PRO CHOICE not PRO ABORTION. He isn't advocating abortion as a good thing, but he is respecting the right of a mother (a woman) to choose. I would never personally get an abortion - but I do think there are circumstances that some people might feel it is the right thing for them. How can we ever expect to be "The land of the free" if we legislate morality and take away individual freedoms and choices? Is it right to force a woman brutally raped to carry a child for 9 months and care for it? I say no. You say "adoption." Which is a great - but you can't look at everything with rose colored glasses. There will be children who never have a home, never feel love, who are displaced. Then you have to factor in the idea that women who feel desperate, who need to terminate a pregnancy for whatever their personal reasons are - will find a way. I don't want to go back to a time where women take things into their own hands - it isn't safe, and it is scary. Regardless - it should be made clear that Pro Choice is not PRO ABORTION.

As for McCain. What qualifies him as ready to lead. I'm not being sarcastic - honestly, I would like to hear some justification. He didn't handle the financial crisis well. He kept reacting, and then changing his mind, and coming up with something new. I just don't see him as a solid reliable leader. And more frightening to me is Palin. She has no experience and doesn't even know the issues.

Rach, you know I love you. I don't think you are a racist. I always value your opinions and love to hear your side of things. So even if we agree to disagree, that's fine with me. I respect you for being brave enough to put yourself out there.

Meredith said...

All I have to say is AMEN!!! Wow! Basically, your post is exactly what runs through my head. Exactly. I'm praying so hard for this election. I'm praying that we will get God's best. I feel like if He allows Obama to be president that He is allowing us to make a big mistake. How far will we fall?

Pipsylou said...

OK, so if I have rose-colored glasses about the abortion issue, and you have rose-colored glasses about the welfare issue, are we even? ;)

Stacy said...

I used to work for politicians. My boss was a Democratic State Rep, but we all worked in a legal office that was headed by a Republican Mayor. Anyhow, I saw firsthand the favors, the lies and everything in between. I don't believe in politicians anymore. I'm voting only on my moral and ethical beliefs, even if that seems like I'm uninformed or ignorant to others. Stacy

Catherine said...

I won't even TRY to change your mind on the idea of abortion as choice. BUT...I have to say something about this...
Anyway - it's hard for me to see how you can support someone who is ok with sticking a knife in the brainstem of a baby who has survived an abortion.
There are many policy reasons for someone to vote the way they do on any piece of legislation. Your interpretation paints a complicated process with too broad and simplistic of a brush which, quite honestly, surprises me. Further, it perpetuates a lie about another person's beliefs and morals...which, honestly, saddens me.

As for the abortion/adoption industry debate...do you KNOW how much money changes hands in the adoption industry? The government HAS endorsed it, providing a $10,000 tax credit to adoptive families in the year their adoption is completed. That amounts to a HUGE sum of money each year in this country. Does that make it better? It seems to me that it's a bit socialist...but I recognize that there are hard decisions to be made...choices between imperfect solutions...and mere humans are making them. Barack Obama AND John McCain both love this country. Otherwise I'm sure they wouldn't put themselves through the impossible scrutiny that comes with a presidential campaign. I think they both deserve respect and a bit more honesty from everyone.

As for the few carrying the many...yes, I believe that those who are lucky enough to have extra to spare SHOULD share it with those less fortunate. They don't. You've said yourself many times that human beings are greedy. On this point we agree. People DON'T share their wealth unless you make them. Sad fact of life. So what do we do then? Leave the hungry to starve? Leave the homeless to live on the street? Leave the sick to die? I can't, in good conscience, vote for someone who says that's a viable option. oops...did I just paint with too broad and simplistic a brush? see...it goes both ways. :o)

Anonymous said...

Again, I beg of someone to offer me some PROOF that McCain is a better choice than Obama. I am sincerely asking, because it seems like everyone is quick to be "scared" of Obama - but I haven't heard about how McCain has what it takes to fix anything.

Politicians are all corrupt in one way or another. IMHO this election is more about choosing the lesser of two evils than it is about choosing a GOOD candidate. What I have seen in the past 8 years scares me - Bush is/was the worst choice and we as a nation made a wrong choice twice (really only once if you consider the popular vote the first Bush/Gore election didn't truly favor Bush). McCain despite his attempt to portray himself as a "maverick" essentially supported Bush policies - policies that have put us in a depression.

Let's take healthcare. McCain's plan, while it seems good, is actually detrimental in the long run. Many people will lose coverage from their employers. You might think that is OK since they have a $5000 tax credit. Tha $5000 isn't going to buy ANYTHING close to even the worst HMO you could ever imagine. We paid over $500 a month for health insurance that didn't cover preexisting asthma, wouldn't cover Rx unless it was over $60, and paid only $20% of our doctor/hospital bills. This was the cheapest insurance we could find. So, the $5000 you get won't even buy that. Do you have extra money to spend buying better health coverage?

On the welfare issue. Time limits need to be applied to the system. There are too many, and I speak from experience having taught in two different inner city high schools and having gone to one myself, people taking advantage of the system. People who are on welfare getting food stamps buying their kids $100 sneakers and expensive designer clothes. Some people have learned how to work the system. So, a better defined plan to get people established and on the right track. So I don't think I'm wearing rose colored glasses...I see the system for what it is: flawed.

Jess is right though, the American Dream isn't equally available for everyone. I taught kids in high school who work 40 hours a week at night and go to school all day to take care of their 4 younger siblings because their mom is dead/in jail/a junkie. Do you think that kid who is so tired from working has the same chances I did? Of course not. Now factor in our declining economy - and that kid and his siblings are in BIG trouble. Up goes the crime rate - gotta steal because you have to survive. It's a vicious cycle. One we need to invest some time, thought, and money into to fix - so that the welfare system functions to help people temporarily, it's initial function, and not to perpetuate a negative lifestyle.

For me, I'm willing to take a chance on change with Obama. We've tried the Bush way and the McCain way doesn't offer much difference. Where the two differ McCain seems worse.

So please, again, I beg....enlighten me as to why I cast my vote incorrectly. (Leave abortion out of it, because it's an issue of legislating morality.) How is McCain going to make this country better? On what grounds is Sarah Palin qualified to take over as president if needed (she has far less experience than Obama)? Again, I'm not trying to be condescending to anyone, I really want to understand.

Anonymous said...

Catherine - I too agree the few are going to have to carry the many. I think that the situation has been reversed, that for years the "many" have been trying and trying (for most of us) and essentially carrying "the few". Socialism? Well, maybe you chould look at it as a distribution of wealth. But, the alternative is to let the economy fix itsself. Hate to tell you but it probably WON'T happen, and if it did by some miracle fix itsself without these measures it would be so far down the road we'd all have starved to death or moved to Canada by then.

I also think McCain and Obama both LOVE America. It is ridiculous to think anything otherwise.

Pipsylou said...

Anonymous, did you really just ask me to tell you why I am supporting a candidate, but then not to tell you why I support legislating morality? REALLY?

So you must not think murder and rape shouldn't be against the law? Those are, after all, huge legislations of morality as well.

If it's not obvious to you why I am not voting for Obama (I have stated before that I am not gung-ho over McCain, either, for a variety of reasons - one being he is even more liberal than my tastes), I don't think anything more I can say will inform you any further.

Pipsylou said...

Anonymous, did you really just ask me to tell you why I am supporting a candidate, but then not to tell you why I support legislating morality? REALLY?

So you must not think murder and rape shouldn't be against the law? Those are, after all, huge legislations of morality as well.

If it's not obvious to you why I am not voting for Obama (I have stated before that I am not gung-ho over McCain, either, for a variety of reasons - one being he is even more liberal than my tastes), I don't think anything more I can say will inform you any further.

Pipsylou said...
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Pipsylou said...

Catherine -
As usual, you have a way of supporting your positions that rings a bell with me. I do like the way you think, and you have me thinking.

Karin said...

As for the few carrying the many...yes, I believe that those who are lucky enough to have extra to spare SHOULD share it with those less fortunate.

Totally agree but I dont want the government telling me who should get my money or what charity should get it!


They don't. You've said yourself many times that human beings are greedy.

Yup just look at BIDEN at his joke of charitable contributions!

On this point we agree. People DON'T share their wealth unless you make them. Sad fact of life.

Actually that assumption is incorrect. It has been proven time and time again! I will dig up the facts for you!

is it better?

Of course it is! Did you really have to ask if killing someone is better than giving them life?!

Kiki@Seagulls in the Parking Lot said...

I kind of disagree, annon, it seems to me like Obama is pro-abortion and pro-choice. Since he has voted 3 times to let babies die that have survived an attempted abortion, it makes him seem pro-abortion.

And what about after the abortion and a woman is left to realize the reality of her decision. Whether it be a physical reality or psychological.

Would it be different if all abortions that were performed were only on rape or incest cases?

I'm just throwing these things out there.

I know my argument is usually that the woman has had a choice whether to have sex or not, but I know that there are cases that that wasn't a choice she made.

Another thing that gets me about Obama is that he made 4.1 million dollars last year and gave away 5%. McCain made in the mid 300,000's and gave away 21%. Who do you want giving your money away? Someone who is willing to give his own money away or someone who's not? Personally, I would want someone who is willing to give their money away.

Sorry for the randomness!

Good discussion.

Anonymous said...

Stumbled across this...thought it was a good read.

1) If Adolf Hitler said that electing Barack Obama would result in the gassing of more than one million Jews per year, could you still vote for Obama, in “good conscience,” even if you agreed with his position on the economy, the war, welfare, education, and so on?

2) If the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan said that electing Barack Obama would result in the lynching of more than one million blacks per year, could you still vote for Obama, in “good conscience,” even if you agreed with his position on the economy, the war, welfare, education, and so on?

Now, I want to be clear in that I am not comparing Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler or to the Grand Wizard of the KKK. The point I am making with these two questions is this: If someone who has knowledge of, and a vested interest in, the gassing of Jews, or the lynching of blacks, says that the policies instituted by another person will result in the killing of millions of Jews and blacks…do you think they might know about that of which they speak?

Which leads me to my third question: 3) If the abortion industry said that electing Barack Obama would result in the killing of more than one million unborn babies per year, could you still vote for Obama, in “good conscience,” even if you agreed with his position on the economy, the war, welfare, education, and so on?

And, guess what? The abortion industry has said just that. The abortion industry has stated that the restrictions that a majority of states have put on abortion – parental consent laws, 24-hour and 48-hour waiting periods, informed consent laws – have all worked to reduce the number of abortions by a few hundred thousand per year over the last several years. Plus, the abortion industry has further stated that the lack of federal funding for abortions has “forced” women to carry more than a million pregnancies per year to term. In other words, more than one million babies per year are being born, that wouldn’t be born, if we had federal funding for abortions.

Now, Barack Obama has vowed to do two things that are relevant to these questions. He has vowed to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which will eliminate all of the restrictions on abortion that have been enacted by the states; and, he has vowed to repeal the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde Amendment currently prohibits federal funding of abortion. In other words, Barack Obama has promised to do the very things that the abortion industry has stated will result in a million or more additional abortions per year.

So, if you answered, “No,” to the first two questions above, then to be morally consistent, you should answer, “No,” to the third question. But, there are any number of people who call themselves “Catholic,” who have no problem answering, “Yes,” to the third question. How can that be?

How can one not vote for a man if they know his policies would end up killing a million or more Jews per year, or killing a million or more blacks a year; but they can vote for that man even if they know his policies will kill an additional million or more unborn babies each year?

I’ll tell you how: Catholics, or any one else, who would not vote for Barack Obama if he was going to institute policies that would kill Jews or blacks, but they are more than willing to vote for Barack Obama knowing that he will institute policies that will indeed kill unborn babies, have de-sensitized themselves to what an abortion actually is. They speak of killing babies in terms of a woman’s “right to choose,” or a “woman’s reproductive freedom,” but they never think of abortion in terms of a baby getting sliced into pieces which are then removed, piece-by-bloody-piece, from their mother’s womb. They never think of abortion in terms of a baby being literally burned to death through saline poisoning within its mother’s womb and then being expelled from its mother’s womb by induced labor.

That is why I challenge anyone who plans to vote for Obama, but especially those who call themselves Catholic, to go to this website - http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...70479992487290 and view this short video on what an abortion actually is. If you’re going to vote for a man whose policies will result in the killing of an additional one million human beings, then by golly who have the moral responsibility to take a good long look at what it is your vote will allow to happen.

And, if you cannot bring yourself to look at this video, because something in your gut is telling you that what you will see will be too horrible for you to stomach, and will cause you to lose sleep at night, then how in the name of all that is holy, can you vote for a man who is promising to visit this horror upon a million or more babies each year?!

If you do not watch this video, yet you go on and vote for Barack Obama, then I call you a coward and a hypocrite and I ask you what, pray tell, will you say to the Creator of Life when you stand before His Judgment Seat with the blood of millions of unborn babies dripping from your hands? Will you say, “I didn’t know?” Or, will you say, “But I was worried about my tax bill?” May God indeed have mercy on your souls.

Now, if you are all in favor of increasing the number of abortions in this country; or if you don’t believe in God and that God will have the last say in regards to the horror of abortion; or if you believe the killing of millions of unborn children is just one issue among many that you need to consider…well, it is clear that you need to vote for Senator Obama and I am happy to offer this newsletter as an informational source that will help you to solidify your vote.

http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/

Anonymous said...

You cannot under any circumstance think that Obama looks at abortion as a form of birth control. That is ridiculous. Why is is so hard to let people CHOOSE what is right for them? Just because it isn't right for YOU it shouldn't be right for anyone? Do you think we should just do away with birth control and see what happens? Everytime you use a condom, take a pill, etc... you are potentially thwarting a life that COULD BE... are you a murderer? If you have sex and the condom breaks, should you be forced to have a baby if you get pregnant? Why, because it was God's will that the condom broke? There are tons of situations where someone might CHOOSE to have an abortion - do you have the right to tell them they have to have a baby because YOU don't agree with abortion. Obama isn't forcing YOU to go out and get an abortion, he is leaving the choice up to women.

If you don't agree with stem cell research, please agree you will never use any of the scientific advancements we gain from this research. I guarantee you that this research will result in cures for our modern day diseases - can you honestly say that you have no interest in curing cancer or AIDS? Heck why not jump on the Palin band wagon and denounce fruit fly resesarch too, I mean, why kill harmless fruit flies right?

America is a great country built on freedom and choice.

Rachel, I am asking why besides the pro life issue you are voting McCain. Let's take morality and choice out of it. What of his plans make him a good choice for our economy, education system, healthcare system. Because lets face it, when those things fail, it won't matter if we were pro choice or pro life....we won't be able to survive.

Thirsty Girl said...

I have come back to this post about 500 times. You know where I stand on the political issues--no need to rehash that. We share Jesus Christ and have different views. I just think it is going to be a riot when we are both sitting in heaven together laughing and laughing at how wrong we both were on things.

That is what I kept thinking about. What matters most are our relationships with one another. When it is all said and done that is what matters. And it is important for me to remember that God is at work in ways that we cannot even understand and in people's hearts that we throw into all our categories and boxes--even pro-choice democrat like me :-). Heck even socialists (I am not labeling anyone that of course). But all these labels and such that we level at one another sometimes make it too easy, on both sides, to forget that. God is so much bigger than any of this crap. And of course you know all of that...this rant is a nice reminder for myself.

I don't know if that makes sense. I may have wandered way off the reservation here but you know...it happens.

Jess said...

Rach, I have been visiting this post and comments since it went up yesterday. The only thing I really want to say that hasn't already been said by anyone else is that I know it really hurt your feelings and infuriated you to be called a racist because of your views on welfare. Well, it is likewise unfair of you to sweep every Obama supporter into the morally bankrupt camp. Come on, I know you know there are gray areas in a lot of these tough issues that have been discussed - you just don't like to stick your toe into them! It isn't always all or nothing.

Thirsty Girl said...

Reading my comment I think I need to clarify b/c it seems like it comes out of left field. What prompted the thought was the first commenter. In political discussions the one thing that really can cut relationships off at the knees is when the other party has their "morals" questioned or, as has happened in the past to me, my Christianity questioned. That is where I think that putting relationships first and not forgetting God is present in the lives of even those we disagree with becomes important. Does that make my comment clearer? I am going on two hours of sleep here. Off to drink more caffeine.

Kristin said...

"Well, it is likewise unfair of you to sweep every Obama supporter into the morally bankrupt camp. Come on, I know you know there are gray areas in a lot of these tough issues that have been discussed - you just don't like to stick your toe into them! It isn't always all or nothing."

I have to say this puts it perfectly. We will definitely have to agree to disagree because I am PRO-CHOICE. It is a womans choice to do with her body as she chooses and you seem to be definitely wearing "rose-colored" glasses with your comments on the topic. There is alot of situations that happen to people that thankfully you have obviously not had to endure and the only person who should be able to decide what a woman is going to do is THAT woman. Not a condemning person with the holier then thou mentality. Ugh!!! I am not coming back to this posts comments because this totally just pisses me off to be honest.

Jess said...

Kristin - Have you read Rachel's blog for awhile? I know you agreed with what I wrote but what you replied with is probably going to be incredibly painful for Rachel. She actually was put in the exact position you assume she was not and she chose to have Lucy despite the medical advice to not carry her to term. I admire Rachel for living out what she states she believes in. I would hope to display the same fortitude if I were ever in the same circumstances.

My entire point was that it was ironic that she was incensed at being labeled based on her conservative view of the welfare system and yet she went ahead and did a similar thing to Obama supporters - indirectly, but it was still there. It is an easy thing to do when discussing sensitive issues, and it doesn't just happen on one side of the aisle. We are all guilty of doing it and it is an unfair debate tactic that does not lend itself to an environment in which genuine exchanges of ideas and information can take place. I know based on personal experience that Rachel is not a woman who is unwilling to listen and evaluate a differing opinion from her own. And when I read that bit in the post I was disappointed because that is not the sort of thing I usually see from her when we email about controversial issues.

Anonymous said...

Jess/Kristin

I think maybe what Kristin was getting as is a woman who is pregnant due to rape or incest. That is certainly a situation few (thankfully) can really empathize with. I hope when Rachel reads (or already read this) she isn't hurt, because she has such a good loving heart and I would hate to see that she is upset by opinions of others as she was previously with the "racist" comment.

Certainly we can agree that Rachel is a brave and admirable strong intelligent woman - she is never afraid to speak her mind and has a solid moral foundation. She has been faced with difficult decisions, decisions a mother should never have to make about her child. Rachel followed her beliefs despite the medical advice. She should be commended for this, and for having the strength to follow through with everything that followed - Lucy is a miracle!

BIG HUGS RACHEL!
Chels - sorry still at work and can't log in...

Rebecca Batey Fradin said...

What I think is so fascinating about our voting system is that it DOES NOT MATTER your reasons for voting.

You can make your decision based on NOTHING...you can simply drop your finger on the screen (marker in the circle, etc)...and your vote is just as valid as anyone's here. Your passion or education about a particular issue doesn't make your vote more worthy than another person's.

You are perfectly welcome to vote completely based on ethics, religion, or skin color. You can base your vote on ONE issue alone, or you can balance and weigh them all. And the next person can go and vote for completely different reasons.

I just think it's so philosophically interesting. We spend so much time and energy getting worked up about "the issues" and such, when it's actually the CHOICE that matters.

Speaking of choice...abortion. If it weren't a choice, I wonder how much of an issue it would be then. I know many of us "special" moms here have very strong feelings about abortion...especially if/when it was an "choice" during our pregnancies. I know many who feel guilty that there ever was a "choice" to be made and that they ever considered both sides of that decision. I know other moms who never had that choice (finding out too late in the pregnancy) and feel guilty for not "choosing" to keep their baby. It makes me wonder if those feelings, those emotions, would disappear if the choice/option for (legal) abortion was no longer there. Somehow I doubt it...but it's things like this that keep my mind churning when I randomly wake up at 3a.m.

I love reading the passion here. I'm excited at the possibility of a tremendous representation of our country at this election. I personally don't care who YOU vote for (nor why). I'm just glad you'll all be going out to vote. :)

Catherine said...

Another thing that gets me about Obama is that he made 4.1 million dollars last year and gave away 5%. McCain made in the mid 300,000's and gave away 21%.

I have to say something about this because, like Barack Obama, I can't afford to give my money away while I'm paying off my law school student loan debt. In 2007, out from under that debt, the Obamas, seeing a rising profit from the sale of Senator Obama's books, paid federal taxes of $1.4 million and donated $240,370 to charity. Further, Senator McCain could give his money away to the tune of 21% because his wife is worth millions I believe her reported income for 2007 was somewhere around 4 million. And her and Senator McCain filed separately...so comparing the two couples is difficult without some additional math.

I'm just saying...it isn't as black and white on this issue either...just like all the rest.

And I really have to give anonymous credit for skillfully using faulty reasoning to support faulty conclusions. But hey, it sounds good, so keep saying it and maybe people will listen. That's the whole goal isn't it? To lie and mislead so that people will vote the way YOU want them to?

Of course it is! Did you really have to ask if killing someone is better than giving them life?!
Again...taking a small bit out of context to try to prove your point only cheapens your argument. I was addressing the original post point alleging the lack of endorsement of adoption. But then, you know that...you just choose to twist words so that they serve your own purpose.

Tommy Estlund said...

In reading, and then re-reading, this post, I wanted to share some thoughts I have about some things you said near the end of your post, about how Republicans still see American as a beacon and it seems to you that Democrats don't see us in that light.

I wanted to offer another perspective on this, one that might connect with you. As a mother, you want your children to do well. You want your children to be well-liked, but not for the wrong reasons. So, you're going to teach your children, I'm sure, to stand up for what is right, even when it's not popular. And, in order to do this, as a mother who loves your children dearly, you're going to have to point out when your children have done something wrong, or having behaved inappropriately toward someone else. Now, when you do this...when you focus on what your children have done that is mean, or hurtful, or selfish, or arrogant...it will not be because you think your child is a horrible person. You will do so, because it is impossible to right those wrongs without first acknowledging those wrongs.

It will be a painful process, one that you will not enjoy, but one that you will feel is necessary. It is only through an honest assessment of your children's actions that you will be able to teach them to determine what is right and what is wrong.

And so it is with the Democrats now. And so it is with ardent pro-lifers. And so it is with almost all people who point out the wrongs in our society. And so it should be.us

today is the present said...

Speaking as one of the "ardent" pro-lifers and in response to thirsty girl's reference to my post, I will never apologize for seeing abortion as one of the biggest signs of a nation's moral decline. And so many people disagree. That is truly no surprise.

Your own personal morals are between you and God but a potential president's morals are of importance to all of us and I have every right to question his morals before I go cast my vote. I would not vote for a president who is "pro-choice" because I KNOW abortion is morally wrong. I'm not questioning that. That's simply the answer.

Anonymous said...

Ah, but you do support someone who is ok with sticking a knife in the brainstem of a baby who has survived an abortion -- so long as the abortion was for reasons he and his party have justified as poltically palatable and acceptable (ie health of the mother, rape and incest). Who died and made the GOP the sole arbitor of when its okay to choose to kill a baby and when its not? And that their view is the good view and the other is the evil view. I have searched and searched for the part of "Thou shalt not kill" where it says "except when you have a really really good reason." That baby, regardless of how it was created, even if it was created in horribly shocking circumstances, is still an innocent life, isn't it?

Political compromise is the basis for both parties' views of the issue, regardless of the individual beliefs of a candidate. If I was a Republican running for office I would likely say I was anti-abortion, that I think it is wrong, and that my party supports my views and abortions should be illegal except in the case of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. Notice I didn't say I supported my party's view, I just stated what it was.

If I was a Democrat running for office, I would likely say that my party supports a woman's right to choose what happens with her body and her health, that I support education on safe sex and abstinance outside of marriage, and that personally I am opposed to abortion.

Notice that the same person can run for office under the banner of either party and hold the same beliefs I just expressed above (which happen to be my own).

That is why voting for one trick ponies isn't very worthwhile, anymore than trying to know who I am through one blog post would be. That is why trying to make my belief your burden drives so many away from Christianity. We Christians can hold fast to what we believe and take personal action to live it out as an example without trying to use a secular government to foist it on everyone who pays taxes, many of whom aren't Christians o begin with. That's not selling out, it is rendering unto Caesar what is his and rendering yourself unto God.

James